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Woodworking in Lord of The Rings Online (LOTRO) is a profession with a few special areas of emphasis. It has ranged weapons, which is sometimes useful, and it has instruments, in addition to some melee weapons. Instruments are probably the most important part of the woodworking profession.

Why not ranged weapons. Because often better ranged weapons are available to hunters from their class quests. At level 30, hunters gain a bow that is (counting it’s damage type) better than tier 4 bows because it does Westernesse damage.

Melee weapons are a valid part of woodworking, and some of the weapons you can acquire are interesting, especially spears (since they tend to do damage over time) but they are not particularly good compared to weaponsmith weapons. Metal weapons tend to be “flashier”, and are sometimes slightly better. Woodworking weapons do have staves, one of the major weapons of the loremaster, but again, loremasters can get better long term weapons in the quests of the Great Barrows (in Bree-land) and then in the loremaster quest.

Instruments, however, are always good for minstrels. They reduce costs for minstrels, it is always important for minstrels to worry about power availability, and this is the only way for a minstrel to control costs or gain similar benefits.

Woodworking Basics

Woodworking is done fairly easily. First and foremost, you need treated wood. For almost all the woodworker recipes, in general, you are going to need weaponsmith components or ingots from the prospector profession. While wood is not as expensive as the same tier ore and ingot in LOTRO, it isn’t cheap, and you will not be able to purchase your wood if you wish to be able to break even or make a profit with woodworking.

Stand near a workbench, simply make sure to have all the items listed in your recipe in your inventory (they will be highlighted if you do, grayed out if you don't), and have a woodworking saw near you. Then just click make and you will make one of your items. There are quite a few recipes you will need to find,

Keeping yourself stocked with wood is not always easy. The wisest choice to make sure you have enough wood is to have a character with the explorer vocation, who then stockpiles treated wood, ingots, and earns money for components by using sold ore. Once prepared for woodworking, make a second character who is your woodworker. That takes a lot of effort to do, but often is worth it. Even more value is added if you also have other characters who use the ore for their professions, such as jewelers or metalsmiths. To keep you stocked, you also can make a woodsman vocation character, create boiled leather from skins (and sell those) and then prepare your own wood, buying components with your skin profits. Leather and skins are always needed, and the money can pay for those pesky components. cheap wow gold

Once you have prepared your treated wood from a forester professional, you need to decide what you wish to make. Almost always, you are going to find you don’t need all the things you make. Which means selling your products. mp3 players

Selling Your Products

An approach to improving your woodworking ability is the “long way” (which earns you money) by making items people need. A level 10 quest includes prepared rowan bowstaves (auction them in groups of 3). These take a while, but will get you some money as people buy these for the auction house. world of warcraft gold You also can make some money off basic bows for hunters, but usually this isn’t overly profitable.

For tiers 2 and 3, you will want to make instruments, and you won’t want to make a special effort to make critical items, these items do not provide enough of a difference to be worth it unless it is for your own use. For tier 3, consider making crossbows, some classes gain access to ranged weapons (though not a primary ability) and a lot of guardians and similar will want shiny new crossbows to use. wow gold Crossbows often do better than regular bows, because these are “shoot once and then enter melee” type attacks, meant for pulling opponents rather than drawn out damage (such as with hunters).

The short way to raise your woodworking ability is to simply pick the lowest component item and make a lot of them, selling them when you can, but basically just doing the best you can on simplicity. In the higher tiers, ranged weapons and instruments are the way to go to keep your woodworking profitable. wow gold

Woodworking Rules

One rule of thumb for woodworking: never throw away wood, the only time you should walk past a node of wood is if you are in a party and in a rush, or if it would be rude to take it. Never throw away crit items. The crit items for woodworkers are particularly rare, and you should always bank those items when they are available. wow gold kaufen For woodworking, you need 3 treated rowan, on average, to make a tier 1 item. You need 10 treated black ash to make a tier 5 item, so make sure to collect your wood!

Woodworking Overall

Overall, woodworking is a simply somewhat easy profession, but this goes hand in hand with less profitable sales, and perhaps a less broad area of products than in other professions.

The Craft: The apprentice tailor makes Rough Cloth Armour, Padded Armour, Heavy Cloth and Heavy Padded Armour for level 7-12 characters from light boiled hides. You will need to boil these with Forestry skills or purchase boiled light leather from a Forester. The Hunt: Gathering light hides as you begin your adventures in Middle Earth is simple. Many of the introductory quests require you to kill wolves, boars, lynxs, bears and bats. Light hides drop from all of these creatures. Hide drops are random so you will need to kill a fair number of beasts to advance in tailoring. In many cases your beginning quests will require you to kill some of these useful creatures. Most areas also have dens or other concentrations of creatures so that you can gain both combat xp and hide. Work Orders for Hide If you have time and money, you can pay the Hobbit lads in Overhill (Overhill Yards 27. 7 S, 70. 4W) in the Shire to gather Hide for you. They will deliver apparently random configurations of hide. For instance, my work order for Sturdy Hide gave me 5 units of Pristine Hide and 1 unit of Sturdy Hide. A second order resulted in 1 Pristine Hide, 3 Sturdy Hide, 2 Drake Hide. I was unable to pick up the Drake Hide, getting the infamous nasty-gram message “You cannot take that!” (Bugged this. ) You can only have one active work order at a time. Place order with Tanner Bruce (Purchase it, right click on order in your inventory to activate, then talk to Tanner Bruce again to accept the quest and actually place the order). You will see noted near the quest log how much time you have remaining till your order is ready. It takes 40 hours for your order to be processed by the Hobbits. The timer begins when your order is placed and counts down even if you are not logged in. A check box and direction to talk to Skinner Grubb appears when your order is complete. Pick up the key to collect the order from Skinner Grubb nearby, then right click on labeled Hides boxes to collect hides. Pricing: Light Hides 10 Silver per order Medium Hides 20 Silver per order Sturdy Hides 30 Silver per order Note: this area is a great place to level up on your Tier 1 Forestry skills. There is an abundance of Rowan wood spawns in the area to the west of the Overhill Yards, also bears, boars and the occasional wolf for Light Hides. There are also spawns of copper, tin and various berries, vegetables and honey with the occasional spawn of Woad and Yarrow. Overhill also has a grocer, two workbenches, a Novice Woodworker npc and a Grocer for your Wax and other needs. Also, there is a handy Mailbox. Cloth: You will need to purchase cloth and thread from a Novice Tailor npc. Apprentice level recipes call for Rough Cloth. Price: A Bolt of Rough Cloth is 1 Silver, 60 Copper for each Bolt A Stack of 50 Rough Cloth Bolts is 80 Silver. How to get recipes: A basic set of recipes is granted to you as soon as you choose a craft set with the Mistress of Apprentices. Brigands, Goblins and Dourhand Dwarves in the beginner areas can be a source of looted recipes, which often give more crafting tier points and enhanced stats to your armour. There are no recipes for purchase at the Apprentice level. Another source of Looted Recipes is the Auction House. buy wow gold Here you can find and bid on items you need. Auction Houses are in Michael Delving in the Shire and in the Town Hall in Bree, in Thorins Halls (to the right and to the left as you enter the halls) and in Rivendell near the Last Homely House. Tailor Advancement and Training: Once you have gained your first 200 points of crafting experience, you will be offered a tailoring quest by the Novice tailor npc nearby. mp3 players A ring will appear over his head. Right click on him and select the quest “The Thickest of Skins Part 1”. The Thickest of Skins Part 1 Your novice tailor will say this: “Tailoring is not an easy discipline to learn…, but if you can master its many complexities, you will be a great asset to those in need. world of warcraft gold Carver Greenlake, a young tailor of some skill, might be able to assist you with the development of some basic techniques. Look for him at Thornley’s work site, north of the town of Bree. Beyond that I really cannot say. wow gold “ Travel north along the Greenway outside of Bree to Thornley’s work site. Talk to Carver Greenlake (26. 4 S, 53. wow gold 7W). Reward: Craft Tailor Complete Proficiency Tier 1 Carver’s dialogue foreshadows the next level Tailor’s quest. Once you have completed this quest, Journeyman level recipes will be available to you. wow gold kaufen Mastery Options in recipes: You need to master each tier of crafting (beyond the initial 200 points) before you are able to use mastery option ingredients in your recipes. When the yellow mastery bar is filled in, Copper Mining Tipyou will hear a bell tone and an informational box will pop up telling you that you can now use the mastery options and ingredients in your recipes.

Professions Guide

A profession is an area of crafting expertise. Professions cannot be chosen. Instead you choose a vocation, which is a collection of 3 professions. This is a unique and fun aspect of LOTRO as it allows you to enjoy seperate tasks underneath a larger goal. If you're serious about making money with LotRO professions, you should pick up this LotRO gold guide.

There are two roles of professions: gathering and producing.

Proficiency levels

Crafting professions

Cook

Farmer

Forester

Jeweller (Jewelcrafter)

Metalsmith

Prospector

Scholar

Tailor

Weaponsmith

Woodworker

Cook

A long march can be made all the easier with the promise of a good meal at the end. While it may seem a mundane talent, a good cook is every adventurer's best friend.

Associated vocations

Tinker

Yeoman

Crafting locations

Cooked food - oven

Trail food - campfire

Ingredients - anywhere

Required tool

Bronze cooking supplies

Farmer

Everything from cereal crops to flax must be carefully tended by the Farmers of Middle Earth, it is these talented individuals who are able to maximize the fruits of harvest.

Associated vocations

Historian

Woodsman

Yeoman

Crafting locations

Workbench

Grain field

Pipeweed field

Vegetable field

Superior grain field

Superior pipeweed field

Superior vegetable field

Required tool

Bronze famring tools

Forester

Not all trees are created equal, it takes a trained Forester to locate and gather the wood necessary for everything from fuel to weapons. Gathers and treates wood for the woodworker, and boils animal-dropped hides for the tailor.

Associated vocations

Explorer

Woodsman

Crafting location

Workbench

Required tool

Bronze Forester's Axe

Jeweller

Simple adornments and objects of beauty are the heart of the jeweller's trade. However, exceptional adornments can go far to increasing the stature and confidence of an adventurer, and a skilled jeweller can produce true works of art. Basic adornments and objects of beauty are the heart of the jeweller's trade. However, exceptional adornments can go far to increasing the stature and confidence of an adventurer, and a skilled jeweller can produce true works of art. They are well known for creating single-use flasks of Hope, called Tokens, for use in difficult battles.

Associated vocations

Tinker

Crafting locations

Workbench

Superior Workbench

Required tool

Bronze Jeweler's Tools

Metalsmith

Metal armors and sturdy shields are the metalsmith's domain. Though their initial products may be of simple make, eventually their skills will allow them to work finer materials and greater designs.

Associated vocations

Armorer

Crafting locations

Forge

Superior Forge

Required tool

Bronze Smithing Hammmer

Prospector

Metal, ores and gems are not mere rocks existing on the surface. It takes a skilled Prospector to identify usable materials from the ground and bring them to the surface. Gathers and smelts metal for the Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, and Jeweler.

Associated vocations

Armorer

Armsman

Explorer

Tinker

Crafting location

Forge

Superior Forge

Required tool

Bronze Mining Pick

Scholar

Perhaps the most mysterious of the professions, the Scholar collects fragments of lost lore, and attempts to interpret their secrets. In doing so, he can produce scrolls that other craftsmen can read to improve their chances of producing a superior product. Other practical applications include lore by which specific enemies (orcs, trolls, the dead) might be best combated, or cures for various maladies. mp3 players

Associated vocations

Historian

Crafting location

anywhere

Required tool

Bronze Scholar's Glass

Tailor

A skilled tailor can make simple clothing from common cloth, but with time and practice can create garments of great beauty that provide significant protection to their wearer. The Tailor can also work with tanned hides to produce leather armor – light, tough and suitable for travel.

Associated vocations

Armorer

Explorer

Yeoman

Crafting locations

Workbench

Superior Workbench

Required Tool

Bronze Tailor's Tools

Weaponsmith

As expected, the Weaponsmith is the primary source of melee weapons. world of warcraft gold Swords, daggers, and axes of all varieties are the Weaponsmith's purview, ranging from bronze training gear to weapons of ancient design and great renown.

Associated vocations

Historian

Crafting location

Forge

Superior Forge

Required tool

Bronze Smithing Hammer

Woodworker

As any archer will tell you, it takes more than a stick and a string to make a worthy weapon. The woodworker is an expert bowyer, but expands his trade to include staves, spears, and other hafted weapons. wow A master Woodworker can produce weapons that even an Elven hero would be proud to wield on the battlefield.

Associated vocations

Armsman

Woodsman

Crafting Location

Workbench

Superior Workbench

Required tool

Bronze woodworking tools

"Tyar's Official Minstrel Guide

'. . wow gold . in the midst of their merriment and tears the clear voice of the minstrel rose like silver and gold, and all men were hushed. '

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, ""The Field of Cormallen""

Available to: Man, Elf, Dwarf, Hobbit

With song and tale, a Minstrel brings hope to places thick with gloom. wow gold She can inspire those with desperate minds and heavy hearts to great deeds. In battle, she can turn the tide with songs that strengthen her allies and dirges which strike fear into the hearts of enemies.

The Minstrel is the class of choice for players who want to aid their friends, inspiring them to keep going through the darkest of times. wow gold kaufen With a vast repertoire of tales both fair and foul, a Minstrel restores the morale of her fellows, as well as causing enemies to despair. Though able to wield weapons, she prefers to let her words, rather than her sword, speak for her. A Minstrel's style of combat is based on maintaining hope no matter what the odds.

Choosing your class is one of the most exciting aspects of any great MMORPG, and LOTRO is no different. A class is a basic choice of player for Lord of the Rings Online and your class will determine your different abilities, skills, and features throughout the game. A class also has individually tailored stats and accomplishments, and different equipment is available to different classes in the game. When you select your class, remember that you may be constrained by what race or gender you decide upon. Check out the LOTRO classes below.

Burgler

The Burglar class is just what you might expect, a master of sneaking around in secret and attacking with misdirection and different stealth style attacks. The ultimate class for players who want to rely on cunning and deft manuevers.

This class is available to the Man and Hobbit races.

Primary function: The primary role of the Burglar is to rob creatures and monsters of their ability to deal heavy damage and remain at full strength. A debuffer class. Also helps yield conjunction opportunities for your group.

Captain

The Captain class is a leadership class, a commanding player who can strengthen it's allies on the battlefield. Also very skilled in the use of arms. Uses various battle cries to dismantle his enemies, and work to rally his allies to victory.

This class is available to the Man race.

Primary function: The Captain class is well armoured and can help their party with great enhancements on the battlefield. Can also summon a pet at later levels and bring fallen heroes back into the action.

Champion

The champion class is the complete and utter warrior, known for unrelenting battle prowness and a knack for being in the thick of battle. They use extremely powerful attacks and excel in the standard warrior melee combat tactics, as well as thick armor and the ability to take a few hits.

This class is available to the Dwarf, Elf, and Man races.

Primary function: The primary gains of the Champion class are AOE (Area of Effect) attacks and a high level of damage per second. The Champion will trade it's life for the ability to do major damage to multiple creatures.

Guardian

The Guardian class is a protection class. They protect the party members in need. mp3 players They are capable to taking a lot of damage and even retaliating with the same. The guardian will stand face first in the thick of battle, shielding allies from the enemies and their damaging attacks.

Available to the Dwarf, Elf, Hobbit, and Man races

Primary function: The standard tank class, the Guardian can wear heavy armor types and grow their defensive skills to the maximum. world of warcraft gold He is also an aggro-grabbing class, and will draw the enemies away from friendlies.

Hunter

The Hunter class dominates the landscape. They are completely unmatched when it comes to ranged attacks thanks to their unyielding bow skill. wow They use their survival capabilities to guide their group mates as well as laying traps for the enemies. Can defend in melee range but ultimatly strong from a ranged distance and not up close.

Available to the Dwarf, Elf, Hobbit, and Man races. wow gold

Primary function: The nuker class, the Hunter is able to deal great damage from a ranged distance.

Lore-master

The Lore-master class is the master of wisdom and knowledge. They wield the secrets of ancient lore to help friends and destroy foes. wow gold Their mastery of lore helps to protect their friends from the dangerous powers of the enemies.

Available to the Elf and Man races.

Primary function: Crowd control is a key function of the Lore-master class, as no other class comes close. wow gold kaufen They can trap creatures and also use pets on the battlefield.

Minstrel

The Minstrel class is the heart of a solid group and the home of renewal and hope. They use ancient music and lore to ward off evil forces and relieve their friends of the damaging power of the dark and wretched enemy forces.

Burglar (22 per cent)

Bilbo & Frodo are the archetypes for this class (though it's also available for humans) and, though they can deal decent damage rapidly, the thing they're best at is staying alive, debuffing enemies and starting Fellowship manoeuvres. Indeed, whilst a burglar is one of the best classes to solo (unlike the pretty-tough soloing for Minstrels) their role in a Fellowship is to keep enemies weak through debuffs and crowd control, and set up conjunctions to take down tough bosses.

Of course, Burglars specialise in being dead sneaky, using their stealth skills to get around easily in solo play, but unlike rogues in That Other MMO they're not so great at dealing damage - though if they attack from stealth or behind, they can do great burst damage. Terrifyingly, burglars can tank quite well for about a minute, but this is a really short term solution whilst the main tank is healed. After their heals run out and their massive variety of stuns and debuffs are used, all their skills take a long time to cool down, so then they're pretty much dead. This illustrates their survivability - often a burgular will be the last man standing, being unable to aggro enough to draw enemies down on him.

In solo, burglars can kill enemies one-on-one nice and quick and get away with it. In Fellowship play, Burglars should be the conjunction experts, knowing when to trigger one, and what colours each player should pick to get the maximum benefit - and then should just wander around, stabbing from the back where possible and performing a general crowd-control role. Best of all, if it all goes pear-shaped in an instance, Burglars have enough skills to give the essential minstrel a chance to get away.

Minstrel (28 per cent)

Hmm. Armoured Olog-hai. Time to run.

Traditionally, Minstrels have been the class that everyone else loves to hate, the wussy troubadours that are tuning their lute in the background whilst everyone else is clonking orcs and goblins by the troll-load. Yet over a quarter of the Turbine chaps play as these (Elves, Hobbits and Humans are the best minstrels) possibly because they're essential for Fellowships - there's little point in going into an instance without a minstrel, despite each class's buffing and patching-up abilities, because only the minstrel has the ability to ""heal"".

The Minstrel is one of the most complex classes to use, so one of the most rewarding to master. Minstrels also have the ability to play any instrument in the game (other classes have access to a limited selection), meaning they can make full use of the bizarrely-comprehensive music-crafting abilities in the game.

Playing as a minstrel is a bit like playing a strategy game or spinning a hundred plates, what with the resource-management inherent in trying to keep your team-mates alive whilst stacking up songs. Your songs work in an odd way, strong ones stacking on top of weak ones to allow more powerful tunes, until you get to the top-end anthems after three songs; but as soon as a Minstrel deploys one of these, he'll have to start the chain over. The healing effect is slightly more obvious and easy to use, though Minstrels only get their resurrect spell at level 20 - and that's only usable out of combat, so DON'T DIE. buy wow gold

There are a few things to remember about Minstrels; they can only heal with line of sight and they're only any good with no enemies attacking them - as soon as that happens, or they have to move, their ability to heal disappears. If a Minstrel heals when one enemy is not aggroed, it will attack the Minstrel - so make sure all the enemies in a fight are occupied! Fellowships with two or three Minstrels in aren't unheard of and can work quite well - just remember that there's a trade-off somewhere, so for every class you double up on in a Fellowship, you're losing one other class

"Hunter (11 per cent)

The hunter, like the Loremaster, is a perfectly, averagely popular class - exactly 1 out of every 9 of the Turbine guys favour it. It's the ranged damage class - the ""nuker"" in MMO parlance - able to do more damage to a single target per hit than any other class, and without them fighting back. mp3 players It's also the class for yellow-bellied cowards and hence is favoured by Elves like Legolas, though humans can also excel at it.

Hunters die easily and can't heal (save poisons), so have to be careful not to build aggro in parties, which is tricky considering their massive array of weapons, projectiles and high-damage. As with WOW, hunters can track any type of creatures except dragons (and if you can't spot them, you shouldn't be playing) and deploy traps, but unlike WOW they don't have pets (the Loremaster does) and can't mark targets (look to the Captain). world of warcraft gold Hunters can also teleport their compadres to a range of locations, as well as to any of the campsites which they can set up, which means they're good to have along for long instance chains. (Campsites are useful fixed locations that provide morale and power regeneration when out of combat. ) They can also run super-quick, which is good for power-levellers, or running away. wow gold

Loremaster (11 per cent)

These wannabe-wizards are also exactly, averagely popular with the developers. wow gold Elves make the best hedge-wizards, but humans can manage it too. Their skills are all focused on crowd control and, because they're rather squishy, they have a couple of pets they can call upon to distract their enemies - bears (only useful as weak off-tanks) or ravens (excellent at distracting any enemy). They can mesmerise two enemies at a time, root others to the spot (like the Hunter's trap) and do reasonable damage themselves up close (though that's not always wise, as damage slows their powers down). wow gold kaufen

Because of their variety of debuffs and their pet, Loremasters make great solo avatars. However, their healing and power-replenishment skills are very weak, with slow timers, and actually are transfers of power or morale from the Loremaster, leaving him dangerously weak.

Boromir ""Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing. "" What is there to say about the guy who carries his shield all the way from Gondor to Tharbad, up to Rivendell, then through Moria and down to the Falls of Rauros, only to forget it when he goes out alone in the orc-infested forest. Boromir has one of the best death scenes in heroic fiction, but I'd hate to have to try and find his keys. Other than his shield -- which he doesn't have with him at the end -- Boromir's other distinguising characteristic is his horn. This poses a bit of a problem for us, since while the shield is a symbol of the Guardian, the Champion class has unique horn-using skills that strike fear into his foes. Making a Champion with a shield is an exercise in futility, since a Champion using his Fervour class skill loses any opportunity to shield block incoming attacks. Perhaps this is the trade-off the developers had in mind: Boromir is a Champion with a shield. In the Mines of Moria he had his Fervour turned off, but when he tried to defend Merry and Pippin from Saruman's Uruk-hai he ditched the shield and went into full Fervour mode. We all remember how that turned out for him. Boromir's death is probably the best indicator that he is a Champion and not a Guardian; a Guardian would have taken all that damage and stayed on his feet, but the Champion goes down after taking twenty orcs with him. Bilbo ""Thag you veddy buch. "" Like Legolas and Eowyn, Bilbo is one of the easiest play options in the game. He's not just ""a burglar,"" he is THE Burglar of which all other Burglars are but pale imitations. Although you can call him an ""expert treasure finder,"" if you prefer. There's one other character in the novel who we know steals things, who sneaks about, who keeps people distracted with his cunning words, and stabs someone in the back -- Grima Wormtongue. Grima is a Man Burglar. Luthien Tinuviel ""But on either road I shall go with you; and our doom shall be alike. "" So far we have not spoken much about the Minstrel class; although minstrels are very common throughout LotR (every King seems to have one, for example) they often go nameless. Spotting minstrels is also made complicated by the fact that Tolkien will often call someone ""a minstrel and a loremaster. "" If only the developers allowed us to multi-class! But Songs of Power can be found in the Silmarillion, and perhaps the most potent wielder of those Songs is Luthien, whose story is sketched out in Book I when Aragorn sings the ""Lay of Beren and Luthien"" for Frodo. So, the next time someone on voice chat reminds you to ""Mez the Boss!"" remember this moment: Quote: . but Luthien was stripped of her disguise by the will of Morgoth, and he bent his gaze upon her. cheap wow gold She was not daunted by his eyes; and she named her own name, and offered her service to sing before him in the manner of a minstrel. . mp3 players Then suddenly she eluded his sight, and out of the shadows began a song of such surpassing loveliness, and of such blinding power, that he listened perforce; and a blindness came upon him, as his eyes roamed to and fro, seeking her. Indeed, magic singing is so common in the Silmarillion that it leads to this rule of thumb: if the magic-working individual you are trying to replicate is an Elf, chances are he or she is a Minstrel, but if that individual is a Man or Wizard, he or she is probably better made a Loremaster. world of warcraft gold Take for example Elrond, who sings the last song in the novel while playing a harp. Elrond is a Minstrel. In fact . wow gold Quote: Thus befell the contest of Sauron and Felagund which is renowned. wow gold For Felagund strove with Sauron in songs of power, and the power of the King was very great; but Sauron had the mastery. wow gold kaufen That's right: Sauron is a Minstrel. Think of this ""contest"" as his ""Devil Came Down to Georgia"" moment. Merry and Pippin Rosenbuck and Guildentook Fellowships in LotRO are limited to six members, which disappoints those of us who really want nine.